but this got leveraged by some very clever work by people like zarqawi farrell early. at the beginning of 2004 is when we are sure he was there. we started to track his work and of course in the spring of 2004, when fallujaha essentially highlighted the meltdown of iraq, had violence all around the country, but fallujah became the first spot in the country where they held ground, they actually -- al qaeda and the sunni elements that were working with them at that point held at bay coalition and iraqi forces from the city of fallujah for a number of months. at that point it was clear that what they had built not only was farrell passionate but it wasal also extensive -- but it was also extensive. the network worked around most of the country. zarqawi was an interesting role, to get really to the heart of bruce's question, there was a question about -- there was an issue about did he really matter? and the answer is yes, he did. he mattered in a big way. because zarqawi became an organizational leader, he also became an iconic leader. he leveraged both very well. at one